Monday 6 October 2014

mathematical physics - Physicists definition of vectors based on transformation laws


First of all I want to make clear that although I've already asked a related question here, my point in this new question is a little different. On the former question I've considered vector fields on a smooth manifold and here I'm considering just vectors.


In Physics vectors are almost always defined by their transformation properties. Quoting Griffiths:



Well, how about this: We have a barrel of fruit that contains $N_x$ pears, $N_y$ apples, and $N_z$ bananas. Is $\mathbf{N} = N_x\hat{\mathbf{x}}+N_y\hat{\mathbf{y}}+N_z\hat{\mathbf{z}}$ a vector? It has three components, and when you add another barrel with $M_x$ pears, $M_y$ apples, and $M_z$ bananas the result is $(N_x+M_x)$ pears, $(N_y+M_y)$ apples, $(N_z+M_z)$ bananas. So it does add like a vector. Yet it's obviously not a vector, in the physicist's sense of the word, because it doesn't really have a direction. What exactly is wrong with it?


The answer is that $\mathbf{N}$ does not transform properly when you change coordinates. The coordinate frame we use to describe positions in space is of course entirely arbitrary, but there is a specific geometrical transformation law for converting vector components from one frame to another. Suppose, for instance, the $\bar{x},\bar{y},\bar{z}$ system is rotate by an angle $\phi$, relative to $x,y,z$, about the common $x=\bar{x}$ axes. From Fig. 1.15,



$$A_y=A\cos \theta, A_z=A\sin\theta,$$


while


$$\bar{A}_y=\cos\phi A_y + \sin \phi A_z,$$


$$\bar{A}_z=-\sin\phi A_y + \cos\phi A_z.$$


More generally, for totation about an arbitrary axis in three dimensions, the transformation law takes the form:


$$\bar{A}_i=\sum_{j=1}^3R_{ij}A_j.$$


Now: Do the components of $\mathbf{N}$ transform in this way? Of course not - it doesn't matter what coordinates you use to represent position in space, there is still the same number of apples in the barrel. You can't convert a pear into a banana by choosing a different set of axes, but you can turn $A_x$ into $\bar{A}_y$. Formally, then, a vector is any set of three components that transforms in the same manner as a displacement when you change coordinates.



It is exactly this kind of definition I'm in trouble to understand. My point here is the following: as a mathematician would say, a vector is just an element of a vector space.


Let $V$ be a vector space over $\mathbb{K}$ and let $\{e_i\}$ be a basis. Then the mapping $f : \mathbb{K}^n\to V$ given by $f(a^1,\dots,a^n)=a^ie_i$ is an isomorphism by definition of basis.



This means that we can pick any numbers $a^1,\dots,a^n$ and they will give a unique vector no matter what those numbers are. If they represent numbers of pearls, bananas or apples, it doesn't matter. They are numbers.


Now, if we consider another basis $\{\bar{e}_i\}$ we are certain that exists numbers $a^i_j$ which are unique such that $e_j = a^i_j \bar{e}_i$.


In that setting if we have a vector $v = v^je_j$ then we have $v = v^ja^i_j \bar{e}_i$. In other words $v = \bar{v}^i\bar{e}_i$ with $\bar{v}^i = a^i_jv^j$. The transformation law is thus just a result from the theory of linear algebra!


Now, my whole doubt is: what is behind this physicists definition? They are trying to use a result of the theory to define vectors, but why this definition should make sense? As I've pointed out, because $f$ is isomorphism, by the definition of basis any set of numbers will form a vector and if we change the basis the new components will forcefully change as needed for the theory make sense.


EDIT: After thinking for a while I believe I have an idea of what's going on here. I believe we have two separate things: the mathematical idea of vector and the physical idea of a vectorial quantity.


I believe that is the source of the confusion since for a mathematician when we pick $(a^1,\dots,a^n)\in \mathbb{K}^n$ those are just arbitrary numbers while for a physicist if we pick $(a^1,\dots,a^n)$ each $a^i$ has a specific physical meaning as a measurable quantity. Is that the idea somehow?




No comments:

Post a Comment

Understanding Stagnation point in pitot fluid

What is stagnation point in fluid mechanics. At the open end of the pitot tube the velocity of the fluid becomes zero.But that should result...