Sunday, 23 August 2020

thermodynamics - How many particles is needed to observe a phase transition?


This is a question that was rised when we were discussing "what is melting actually". How many particles you need to form a liquid or solid. I have some remarks to point out what I want to know.



Q: How many particles is needed to observe a phase transition?


A:



  1. just one, phase transition is not a collective phenomena.

  2. 1 million, Ising model in 1000x1000 lattice produces a phase transition.

  3. $N_a$, phase transition is a thermodynamic concept and you always need to be in TD limit.

  4. The question is dependent on the process. For instance, in phenomena A you need N particles, but in B you need M particles.

  5. The question is stupid, you should ask X instead.


I would like to know which arguments are true and which are false (and why). Also, how many particles you need to form a liquid from solid (one particle with Gibbs energy above some limit X is a liquid?).




Answer



Option 3. An equilibrium phase transition is a non-analytic point of the thermodynamic free-energy. For a finite number of particles, the free-energy is always analytic. So you cant get a phase transition. Kardar discusses this point.


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