Friday, 26 October 2018

lagrangian formalism - Prove energy conservation using Noether's theorem



I wonder how you prove that energy is conserved under a time translation using Noether's theorem. I've tried myself but without success. What I've come up with so far is that I start by inducing the following symmetry transformation hs: qhs(q(t))=q(t)ˆhs: ˙q(t)ˆhs(˙q(t))=˙q(t)tt=t+sϵ

hs is a symmetry of the Lagrangian if: L(hs(q(t)),ˆhs(˙q(t)),t)=L(x,˙x,t)+ddtFs
Then I derivative with respect to s and look for minimum. s(L(hs(q(t)),ˆhs(˙q(t)),t)ddtFs)=0
I find the derivative to be Lhs(q(t))hs(q(t))s+Lˆhs(˙q(t))ˆhs(˙q(t))s+LttsddtFss=0
LtϵddtFss=LtdtdtϵddtFss=LtϵddtFss=0
Here is the part where I get stuck. I don't know what to do next. I'm trying to find my Noether charge that corresponds to a time translation to be the Hamiltonian. Is there an easier or better way to do this? Please teach me, I'm dying to learn!


I found this book, Lanczos, The variational principles of mechanics, page 401, which explicit shows the energy conservation using Noether's theorem. Thou It seems that I can not follow the step from equation 7 to 8. Can someone explain to me why the intregal looks the way it does? Have they taylor expanded the expression somehow?



Answer



Comments to OP's post (v4):




  1. OP is trying to prove via Noether's theorem that no explicit time dependence of the Lagrangian leads to energy conservation.




  2. OP's transformation seems to be a pure horizontal infinitesimal time translation tt =: δt = ϵ,(horizontal variation)

    qi(t)qi(t) =: δ0qi = 0,(no vertical variation)
    qi(t)qi(t) =: δqi = ϵ˙q.(full variation)
    It is explained in my Phys.SE answer here why this transformation (A)-(C) cannot be used to prove energy conservation.





  3. In eq. (1) on p. 401, the Ref. 1 is instead considering the following infinitesimal transformation tt =: δt = ϵ,(horizontal variation)

    qi(t)qi(t) =: δ0qi = ϵ˙q,(vertical variation)
    qi(t)qi(t) =: δqi = 0.(full variation)
    This is the same infinitesimal transformation as Section IV in my Phys.SE answer here, except for the fact that ϵα is allowed to be a function of time t. Therefore the variation of the action SA is not necessarily zero, but of the form δS = dt jdϵdt,
    where the bare Noether current j=h is the energy function, cf. eq. (8) on p. 402 in Ref. 1. The t-dependence in ϵ is tied to the Noether trick explained in this Phys.SE post. This in turn can be pieced together into a proof of the on-shell energy conservation dhdt  0,
    cf. eq. (9) on p. 402 in Ref. 1.




References:



  1. C. Lanczos, The variational principles of mechanics, 1970; Appendix II.


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