Wednesday, 20 December 2017

conservation laws - Why do the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian formulations give the same conserved quantities for the same symmetries?


The connection between symmetries and conservation laws can be viewed through the lens of both Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics. In the Lagrangian picture we have Noether's theorem. In the Hamiltonian picture we have the so-called "moment map." When we consider the same "symmetry" in both viewpoints, we get the exact same conserved quantities. Why is that?


I'll give an example. For a 2D particle moving in a central potential, the action is



S=dt(m2(˙q21+˙q22)V(q21+q22)).


We can then consider the SO(2) rotational symmetry that leaves this action invariant. When we vary the path by a infinitesimal time dependent rotation,


δq1(t)=ε(t)q2(t) δq2(t)=ε(t)q1(t) we find that the change in the action is


δS=dt(m(˙q1δ˙q1+˙q2δ˙q2)δV) =dtm(q1˙q2q2˙q1)˙ε(t)


As δS=0 for tiny perturbations from the actual path of the particle, an integration by parts yields


ddt(mq1˙q2mq2˙q1)=ddtL=0 and angular momentum is conserved.


In the Hamiltonian picture, when we rotate points in phase space by SO(2), we find that L(q,p)=q1p2q2p1 remains constant under rotation. As the Hamiltonian is H, we have


{H,L}=0 implying that angular momentum is conserved under time evolution.


In the Lagrangian picture, our SO(2) symmetry acted on paths in configuration space, while in the Hamiltonian picture our symmetry acted on points in phase space. Nevertheless, the conserved quantity from both is the same angular momentum. In other words, our small perturbation to the extremal path turned out to be the one found by taking the Poisson bracket with the derived conserved quantity:


δqi=ε(t){qi,L}



Is there a way to show this to be true in general, that the conserved quantity derived via Noether's theorem, when put into the Poisson bracket, re-generates the original symmetry? Is it even true in general? Is it only true for conserved quantities that are at most degree 2 polynomials?


Edit (Jan 23, 2019): A while ago I accepted QMechanic's answer, but since then I figured out a rather short proof that shows that, in the "Hamiltonian Lagrangian" framework, the conserved quantity does generate the original symmetry from Noether's theorem.


Say that Q is a conserved quantity:


{Q,H}=0. Consider the following transformation parameterized by the tiny function ε(t): δqi=ε(t)Qpiδpi=ε(t)Qqi Note that δH=ε(t){H,Q}=0. We then have δL=δ(pi˙qiH)=εQqi˙qipiddt(εQpi)=εQqi˙qi˙piεQpi+ddt(εpiQpi)=ε˙Q+ddt(εpiQpi)


(Note that we did not use the equations of motion yet.) Now, on stationary paths, δS=0 for any tiny variation. For the above variation in particular, assuming ε(t1)=ε(t2)=0,


δS=t2t1ε˙Qdt


implying that Q is conserved.


Therefore, Q "generates" the very symmetry which you can use to derive its conservation law via Noether's theorem (as hoped).



Answer



In this answer let us for simplicity restrict to the case of a regular Legendre transformation in a point mechanical setting, cf. this related Phys.SE post. (Generalizations to field theory and gauge theory are in principle possible, with appropriate modifications of conclusions.)





  1. On one hand, the action principle for a Hamiltonian system is given by the Hamiltonian action SH[q,p] :=dt LH(q,˙q,p,t). Here LH is the so-called Hamiltonian Lagrangian LH(q,˙q,p,t) := ni=1pi˙qiH(q,p,t). In the Hamiltonian formulation there is a bijective correspondence between conserved quantities QH and infinitesimal (vertical) quasi-symmetry transformations δ, as showed in my Phys.SE answers here & here. It turns out that a quasi-symmetry transformation δ is a Hamiltonian vector field generated by a conserved quantity QH: δzI = {zI,QH}ε,I  {1,,2n},δt = 0, δqi = QHpiε,δpi = QHqiε,i  {1,,n},




  2. On the other hand, if we integrate out the momenta pi, we get the corresponding Lagrangian action S[q] =dt L(q,˙q,t), cf. this related Phys.SE post. The Hamiltonian eqs. 0  δSHδpi = ˙qiHpi for the momenta pi yield via the Legendre transformation the defining relation pi  L˙qi of Lagrangian momenta. Eqs. (5) & (6) establish a bijective correspondence between velocities and momenta.




  3. If we take this bijective correspondence ˙qp into account it is clear that Hamiltonian and Lagrangian conserved charges QH(q,p,t)  QL(q,˙q,t) are in bijective correspondence. Below we will argue that the same is true for (vertical) infinitesimal quasi-symmetries on both sides.





  4. On one hand, if we start with a (vertical) infinitesimal quasi-symmetry in (Hamiltonian) phase space εdf0Hdt = δLH = ni=1δSHδpiδpi+ni=1δSHδqiδqi+ddtni=1pi δqi, it can with the help of eq. (5) be restricted to a (vertical) infinitesimal quasi-symmetry within the (Lagrangian) configuration space: εdf0Ldt = δL = ni=1δSδqiδqi+ddtni=1pi δqi, In fact we may take f0L(q,˙q,t)  f0H(q,p,t) the same. The restriction procedure also means that the bare Noether charges Q0H(q,p,t)  Q0L(q,˙q,t) are the same, since there are no ˙pi appearance.




  5. Conversely, if we start with an infinitesimal quasi-symmetry in (Lagrangian) configuration space, we can use Noether's theorem to generate a conserved quantity QL, and in this way close the circle.




  6. Example: Consider n harmonic oscillators with Lagrangian L = 12nk,=1(˙qkgk˙qqkgkq), where gk is a metric, i.e. a non-degenerate real symmetric matrix. The Hamiltonian reads H = 12nk,=1(pkgkp+qkgkq) = nk,=1zkgkz, with complex coordinates zk := 12(qk+ipk),pk := n=1gkp,{zk,z} = igk. The Hamiltonian Lagrangian (2) reads LH = nk=1pk˙qkH = i2nk,=1(zkgk˙zzkgk˙z)H, Hamilton's eqs. are ˙zk  izk,˙qk  pk,˙pk  qk. Some conserved charges are QH = nk,=1zkHkz = nk,=1(12qkSkq+12pkSkp+pkAkq), where Hk := Sk+iAk = Hk is an Hermitian n×n matrix, which consists of a symmetric and an antisymmetric real matrix, Sk and Ak, respectively. The conserved charges (17) generate an infinitesimal u(n) quasi-symmetry of the Hamiltonian action δzk = ε{zk,QH} = iεn=1Hkz, δqk = εn=1(Akq+Skp),δpk = εn=1(Skq+Akp). The bare Noether charges are Q0H = nk,=1pk(Akq+Skp). Also f0H = 12nk,=1(12pkSkpqkSkq). The corresponding infinitesimal u(n) quasi-symmetry of the Lagrangian action (1) is δqk = εn=1(Akq+Sk˙q), as one may easily verify.





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