Friday 21 November 2014

inertial frames - How fictitious are fictitious forces?


How fictitious are fictitious forces?


More specifically, in a rotating reference frame i.e. on the surface of the earth does an object that is 'stationary' and in contract with the ground feel centrifugal and Coriolis forces? Or are these forces purely fictional and used to account for differences in observed behaviour relative to an inertial frame?


To give a practical example a turreted armoured vehicle is sitting stationary and horizontally somewhere in the UK. The turret is continually rotating in an anti-clockwise direction. Do the motors that drive the turret's rotation require more power as the turret rotates from east to west and less power as the turret rotates from west to east? i.e. are the turret motors cyclically assisted and hindered by the earths rotation?



Answer



No, they are not real forces.



Quoting from my answer here



Whenever we view a system from an accelerated frame, there is a "psuedoforce" or "false force" which appears to act on the bodies. Note that this force is not actually a force, more of something which appears to be acting. A mathematical trick, if you will.


Let's take a simple case. You are accelerating with $\vec{a}$ in space, and you see a little ball floating around. This is in a perfect vacuum, with no electric/magnetic/gravitational/etc fields. So, the ball does not accelerate.


But, from your point of view, the ball accelerates with an acceleration $-\vec{a}$, backwards relative to you. Now you know that the space is free of any fields, yet you see the particle accelerating. You can either deduce from this that you are accelerating, or you can decide that there is some unknown force, $-m\vec{a}$, acting on the ball. This force is the psuedoforce. It mathematically enables us to look at the world from the point of view of an accelerated frame, and derive equations of motion with all values relative to that frame. Many times, solving things from the ground frame get icky, so we use this. But let me stress once again, it is not a real force.



And here:



The centrifugal force is basically the psuedoforce acting in a rotating frame. Basically, a frame undergoing UCM has an acceleration $\frac{mv^2}{r}$ towards the center. Thus, an observer in that rotating frame will feel a psuedoforce $\frac{mv^2}{r}$ outwards. This psuedoforce is known as the centrifugal force.


Unlike the centripetal force, the centrifugal force is not real. Imagine a ball being whirled around. It has a CPF $=\frac{mv^2}{r}$, and this force is the tension in the string. But, if you shift to the balls frame (become tiny and stand on it), it will appear to you that the ball is stationary (as you are standing on it. The rest of the world will appear to rotate). But, you will notice something a bit off: The ball still has a tension force acting on it, so how is is steady? This balancing of forces you attribute to a mysterious "centrifugal force". If you have mass, you feel the CFF, too (from the ground, it is obvious that what you feel as the CFF is due to your inertia)




What really happens when you "feel" psuedoforces is the following. I'll take the example of spinning on a playground wheel.


From the ground frame, your body has inertia and would not like to accelerate(circular motion is acceleration as the direction of velocity changes).


But, you are holding on to the spinning thingy so you're forced to accelerate. Thus, there is a net inward force--centripetal force--a true force since it's from "holding on". In that frame, though, you don't move forward. So your body feels as if there is a balancing backwards force. And you feel that force acting upon you. It really is your body's "inertia" that's acting.


Yes, the turret's wheels are affected. Again, this is due to inertia from the correct perspective, psuedofoces are just a way to easily explain inertia.


Remember, Newton's definition of a force is only valid in an inertial frame in the first place. Psuedoforces make Newton's laws valid in non inertial frames.


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